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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="AladdinsGenie"]I'll stop with the articles eventually, but I found this interesting since it applies to our movie... [i]LOS ANGELES - Male characters outnumbered females 3-to-1 overall in top-grossing G-rated films from 1990 to 2004, according to a study whose sponsors say the disparity diminishes the importance of women in children's eyes. "We're showing kids a world that's very scantly populated with women and female characters," said actress Geena Davis, founder of See Jane, a program of the advocacy group Dads & Daughters that encourages balanced gender representation in entertainment for children. In the 101 animated and live-action films examined, 28 percent of speaking characters were female, and just 17 percent of people in crowd scenes were female, researchers found in the study released Thursday by See Jane. "It's important for what kids watch that as far as possible, they see the real world reflected, to see men and women, boys and girls, sharing the space," said Davis, co-star of the female-empowerment film "Thelma & Louise" and star of TV's "Commander in Chief" in which she plays the U.S. president. "They should see female characters taking up half the planet, which we do." Davis and others involved with the study — titled "Where the Girls Aren't" — planned to discuss the findings at a forum Thursday night in Los Angeles. They said they hope to use the research to push Hollywood toward giving female characters equal time on screen and encourage parents to vote with their wallets by choosing films offering balanced gender representation. Spokesmen at Disney, which had the biggest share of films in the study, Paramount and Universal said studio executives declined to comment. The results came as little surprise to researchers. Studies have found similar imbalances between male and female roles in films for adults and on TV shows, and anyone who channel-surfs or goes to the movies regularly knows anecdotally that men dominate the screen. "There seems to be nothing new under the sun here," said Stacy Smith, associate professor at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School of Communication, who oversaw the study. "The only thing different is it's G-rated films." (G-rated means: General audiences. All ages admitted.) Of the 101 films, 71 percent were animated or partly animated features. Among the films studied: "Finding Nemo," "The Lion King," "Monsters, Inc.," "Chicken Run," "The Princess Diaries," "Babe," "The Santa Clause 2" and "Toy Story." Joe Kelly, co-founder of Dads & Daughters, said as much as he loves "Toy Story," the study made him think about the movie differently. The movie has a positive message about two characters —Tom Hanks' Woody and Tim Allen's Buzz Lightyear — overcoming their differences and working together, but it does have a flaw, Kelly said. "It wasn't until the study that I went back and realized there's only one toy that's a female character, and it's Bo-Peep. She's standing at the window going, `Oh, Woody, don't hurt yourself,'" Kelly said. "Not that I want `Toy Story' to be changed. I don't think there should be any sort of gender formula. But there are other movies to be made with powerful messages featuring female characters."[/i] *hides Jasmine* :lol:[/quote]
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AladdinsGenie
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:06 am
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The image of Genie furiously flipping through the script to find that part amuses me
Ariellen
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:38 am
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I thought she WAS OK with it...not HAPPY about it, but accepting. Neither of them LIKES it, but they both know it's right.
Though, your script edit is hilarious.
Thank goodness ONE of the characters keeps a script handy, lol.
APK
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:29 am
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I wonder what he would've done if she was okay with him letting her go in the first movie?
"I guess this is...good-bye?"
"Well...It's for the best. Good-bye."
"Oh, um..." :shifts uncomfortably:: "Really?"
"Yep. Bye!"
Genie: ::flips through Aladdin script::
Ariellen
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:15 am
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
Especially with the fact that on that quest, he might not come back and could have been killed. They knew the risks and still continued on. That's love right there
Exactly. She doesn't just slink off and say "Oh, Aladdin, I love you, do whatever you want; I don't care." She understands EXACTLY what she risks letting him go it alone. But it's what's right for him, and she doesn't go along with what's right for him because he's a man, but because he's a person who needs to do this on his own. I think in a way she even puts aside her feelings for him so she can view the situation objectively. (I can even imagine Aladdin ASKING her to go and her having to convince HIM that he has to do it on his own, for himself...I think I wrote a oneshot along those lines YEARS ago that I never posted.) She loves him, and is willing to let him go. Just like he was willing to let her go not only so he could free Genie, but also not have to lie to her forever, at the end of the first movie. LOVE.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:57 pm
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"The way in which she supports Aladdin and his quest to find his father isn't a passive standing behind him...it really takes a LOT of courage on her part."
Especially with the fact that on that quest, he might not come back and could have been killed. They knew the risks and still continued on. That's love right there
Ariellen
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:56 pm
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^ That was me...wow, I hadn't checked "Automatically log me in" since the reboot, I guess.
Guest
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:51 pm
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Nez wrote:
At least in "KoT", she sucker-punched a few thieves.
I was a little bummed the VERY FIRST time I watched KoT by how little screen time Jasmine had, but when I watched it again (you know, about 10 minutes after it ended the first time...), it didn't bother me at all. I think that even if she's not PHYSICALLY portrayed on the screen in a whole lot of the movie, she has a TREMENDOUS role in the film, and not just because she gets to punch a few thieves and show why you don't eff with a bride on her wedding day. The way in which she supports Aladdin and his quest to find his father isn't a passive standing behind him...it really takes a LOT of courage on her part. This search is something that means a lot to him, and she helps him gain the courage to seek the answers that he in not quite so many words tells her that he's afraid to find. I think the fact that she DOESN'T go WITH him on this journey is a stronger statement than if she had done so. I guess you could say that it's 'not her place' to go with him, but not because she's a woman, but because this is Aladdin's personal discovery.
I think her most significant off-screen function is the fact that she is the reason that Aladdin doesn't run off with Cassim after being found out by the guards. His decision in that scene is HUGE, but he has to go back because "Jasmine is there" and he "won't walk out on [her]." I think that even if she's not in the scene, she is VERY much a presence...she has made SO MUCH of an impact on Aladdin and when a character can be absent from the action and such a driving force in these events...so much of a positive influence on another character...that's a mark of strength. (I'm sure Jasmine was very moved when Aladdin told her he came back for her...assuming he did, of course, and I think he would.)
Anyway...yeah, I read an article about that study in the paper the morning before I went to Disneyland. The version in the Philadelphia Inquirer mentioned Aladdin. I smiled to see that our movie was remembered, then proceeded to shrug off the article. The more-guys-than-girls-in-movies-I-watched-as-a-kid (and heck, still watch a LOT) never bugged me...
Hourglass
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:34 pm
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The above message was me... btw.
Guest
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:33 pm
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I honestly don't agree with that article at all. I'm with y'all... it's quality versus quantity.
That, and I'm quite old fashioned (and I admit it) and I do find that male protagonist based movies are my favorites. I mean, for me to enjoy a movie I like the cliche idea of male protagonist and female protagonist fighting together, but based around the male protagonist's needs or wants. I am a girl people, and no I'm not trying to say I'm some docile, obediant chic, but I just find that a bit more... I dunno... I like it.
Anyway, you've got characters like Mulan, Ariel, Jasmine, Pocohontas... blah blah blah... but did the article mention them?! No! They just go and find Bo Peep... and then it's all "meh meh meh women are mis-used..."
Pathetic, if you ask me.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:05 pm
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They must not have looked at Shrek
Syera
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:45 am
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Meesh wrote:
Yeah or a headbang or kick in the nuts. Then she makes this dazed face like she did something abnormal. haha just listing off the stereotypes.
You know, I'm sure I've seen something like that somewhere - I just can't remember where.
Maybe we should make a list of Hollywood Rules of Feminine Combat?
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:57 am
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I don't think there was enough Jasmine either. I mean, this was THEIR wedding. Although, I do understand. The story was also about him finding his father and her being around to go find him would have been semi-pointless.
Meesh
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:48 pm
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Syera wrote:
*Shrugs* It doesn't bother me much. 'Sides, it's
Aladdin
and the King of Theives
, not
Aladdin, Jasmine, and the King of Theives
.
Well she is my favorite character to watch, and I feel there wasn't enough. I guess it is just a matter of opinion.
Syera wrote:
That. Was. Awesome. It was about BLOODY TIME a female got to sucker punch! It drives me crazy - so often, a woman is up against a man and the best she can do is hit him with a pathetic little slap. Grr.
Yeah or a headbang or kick in the nuts. Then she makes this dazed face like she did something abnormal. haha just listing off the stereotypes.
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APK
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:20 pm
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Darn it. That was me as guest.
Guest
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:01 pm
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They chose 101 films (not a lot by the way) that just happened to be lacking female leads? Of course they're going to ignore the other movies, for the sake of their arguement.
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