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[AladdinsGenie]

That just means he's legal--YES!

[Guest]

*LOL at Shiera*

So does this mean he had a few early years where he didn't live on the streets, or does he live part-time in the palace/at least have that option/stopped counting the years after he met Jasmine since he had more resources? Maybe he lived on the streets for 10 years, was taken in for 3 or so, then back to the streets for another 7 as of TPM...

*laughs* Sorry. My brain is playing 'what if' and I'm distracted by the Iago version of "Friend LIke Me" playing in the next room. Things just aren't easy for this fandom, are they?

~*DP*~

[AladdinsGenie]

When is anything in this fandom easy?

I always kinda figured it meant from birth to the end of the movie when he was engaged to Jasmine, which would stop the whole living-on-the-streets thing although he still lives in the hovel. I put the whole family on the streets for that to make sense, but that's just me . Not exactly homeless, but not in the best of conditions either if that makes any sense. Adding any time before that would make him in his early twenties in the series depending upon which age you think he would be able to survive on his own (I can't see a two year getting very far), which I don't think he's THAT old. And now that we know TPM is later, he must have been reflecting back when he was like 18-19ish.

But this also means Mozenrath and Fasir show up a little late in the series, then.

[Guest]

[Calluna]

Okay, so I'm looking at the list by episode numbers, and something seems wrong about it. No, no logical errors, but it looks like the series might have taken a lot longer than any of us had estimated before...

"Forget Me Lots" is episode 16, and it takes place exactly a year after the first movie. There are two "empty slots" that might either be a missing episode or just one of the seven I just don't know the numbers for. So there are 14-16 episode-worthy events taking place within a year (not including Aladdin and RoJ). I got out my calculator and figured it out: that's an episode every 23-26 days.

Then look at the two other episodes we know are exactly a year apart, "Some Enchanted Genie" and "The Book of Khartoum". There are 50-57 episodes in there. That's an episode every 6 or 7 days. No wonder Al got so burned out!

What I hadn't noticed before is about the episodes inbetween "Forget Me Lots" and "Some Enchanted Genie". There are 13-18 episodes there. One of them is "Stinkerbelle". And one of the earlier episodes in the year that has an Eden episode at each end is "Smells Like Trouble", the episode Prince Bud is in. So, assuming that Bud was concieved right away after Uncouthma and Brawnhilda's marriage and that he's about 2 years old in "Smells Like Trouble", that means an episode-worthy event was taking place every two to two-and-a-half months! That's almost three very slow years!

It would also mean that Al and Jas were engaged for almost five years. So, yes, more time would have passed in-story between Aladdin and KoT than passed in real life between when the two movies came out. Now, you could make that time shorter by saying that Uncouthma and Brawnhilda had a shotgun marriage, or that Bud was adopted, or by trying to push "Smells Like Trouble" as far back as possible into the "Eden year", or by saying that Odiferans develop at superhuman rates ("Odiferans: They're like Klingons, in a way"?). But however you look at it, that was a long engagement, and Aladdin was a lot busier at the end of the series than he was at the beginning of it. It's pretty hard to imagine looking at that timeline that Aladdin could suddenly stop the whole monster-fighting thing immediately after his marriage...
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[AladdinsGenie]

Five years?! Goah! My fandom procrastinates on weddings .

I kinda figured they were working harder towards the end, though. When Chaos Comes Calling is kinda late in the series, isn't it? And if you consider the "someone new!" comment Genie made for Mozenrath, a lot of his stuff is towards the end. Not to mention Mirage constantly trying to take over Agrabah by this point. It looks like Abis Mal, Saleen, and Mechanikles are all earlier and then Mirage and Mozenrath are towards the middle/end. That's about a villain a year, so I guess that five year thing does make sense . Do you have a list of the unofficial order?

I say we just abolish Bud's presence. He adds years to the timeline

[Calluna]

The "by production number" list here is what I was looking at. But, yeah, you're right, Chaos is episode 84, and The Citadel is... *checks*...holy crap, episode 70! That's over halfway through the last year, Mozenrath didn't show up until really late in the game.

So in that first year between Aladdin and Forget Me Lots: first episodes with the al-Muddi, Thundra, Uncouthma, Nefir, Ayam Aghoul, Saleen, Amin, Sadira, and Mechanikles. Not a whole lot of repeat villains there in those 14 eps, there are even only 2 Abis Mal eps.

The interval: First episode with Fasir. One Abis Mal ep, three Mechanikles, two Odiferan eps, one Sadira.

Last year: that one would take far too long to break down so I'll just say who showed up here for the first time: Mirage and Mozenrath.

I guess it makes sense that they'd be busier as the series progressed. They never actually capture any of the villains, and how many of their plots are 1. revenge, 2. trying to take something that an earlier episode has alerted their presence to, or 3. there's a friend Aladdin made in an earlier ep who's asking for help.

I haven't completely decided in my own mind but right now I'm leaning toward adopted!Bud. Because doesn't it seem strange that Uncouthma never told Aladdin that he had a son until that son was about two years old? And The Way We War was only about five episodes before Smells Like Trouble; wouldn't Uncouthma have taken that opportunity to tell Al that he had a one-year-old son? Unless he adopted Bud sometime between TWWW and SLT...
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[AladdinsGenie]

[Calluna]

[AladdinsGenie]

And Genie said she had a rap sheet as long as his arm. I think you need more than 5 incidents to have a long rap sheet

[Salukfan]

[AladdinsGenie]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean they know about *all* those incidents. One crime can make you a criminal

[Salukfan]

Genie could just assume that Sadira has the same type of record Aladdin does. Which would be about as long as his arm. And beyond.
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